wobble
As always, your wit and intelligence win out! Excellent reasoning. My wife still is not quite at the receptive stage to make any real progress in exiting the cult, but I'll keep this bookmarked.
lifelong humanist
if you are ever in a situation where a witness is seemingly interested in what you have to say and believe ask them this question:.
"if what you believed about the witnesses and the watchtower organzation was false and there was no hope of paradise or anything else, would you want to find that out?
or would you like to be kept in blissful ignorance and die believing it was all true.".
wobble
As always, your wit and intelligence win out! Excellent reasoning. My wife still is not quite at the receptive stage to make any real progress in exiting the cult, but I'll keep this bookmarked.
lifelong humanist
thats the question i keep asking myself once i began learning the truth about the truth.
one definition according to merriam-websters collegiate dictionary is the body of real things, events, and facts.
another (often cap) is a transcendent, fundamental or spiritual reality.
Reopened Mind
Read your story with interest - thanks for posting. Glad to hear that you describe yourself as a secular humanist - there are many like-minded posters here. I also enjoy reading scientific articles and human evolutionary discoveries - as I studied art at school and art design college, I was very ignorant of things scientific growing up in the cult.
I believe that a large percentage of former JWs go on to realize that they are really just secular humanists - I know that this was the best way to describe myself after I da'd in 2003 as a third generation born-in.
lifelong humanist
looks like muslims and jw's reason in the same way.. .
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t_twv5k9q0.
whereami
Thanks for posting this video - knowing very little about Islam's holy book, this made interesting viewing. Not surprising though, given the time period these thoughts were written down. I was aware of similar blunders in the Christian Bible - these certainly got me questioning the concept of 'divine inspiration'! Enlightened Muslims I'm sure will think about the contents critically and not take what it says at face value.
lifelong humanist
swiss tv program my reaction to the tv forum participants.
this afternoon, william heinzer, the journalist who, together with florence, were responsible for the swiss tv program called me and confirmed that, although this program on jehovahs witnesses has been the one which had the highest number of interventions in the tv forum, they had to withdraw the forum, because of the atrocious allegations made against myself and my two kids, fulvio and amanda.. i planned to copy and publish on my site, a selection of the jw and ex.jw posts, just to show the low moral of these people, who pretend to worship the true god.
even ex-jw, whom i know pretty well, and who were expelled for immorality, but still believe the jw are jehovahs only people, have spit their venom against us.
Buon giorno Roberto
You, and your family have done an admirable thing - taken on the JW cult in such an organized and public manner and factually expose them for the frauds that they are. I respect what you've done and applaud your courage and determination not to be sidetracked in the pursuit of truth. Your 2 children have also been brave and unafraid of reprisals.
The venom that you and your family have had to endure just underlines the nastiness of this religious cult. Perhaps the intensity of bad feeling surpassed even your expectations? Be assured, thinking people will be left in no doubt just how dangerous the JW religion is, and certainly prevent them from ever wanting to join their movement.
Well done Roberto, and please know that I fully support your endeavours in this regard.
Please pass on my kind regards to Rosie. Do you think that you'll be back in Scotland some time next year? It would be great to meet up with you again and enjoy another fine meal in Edinburgh, or, here in Crieff!
lifelong humanist
John
my still-in jw wife thinks that i'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range mazda mx-5 2l roadster (miata, eunos for other countries).. i'm 58 years old.
too old for a 'fun car', i'm told!
i used to sell subaru's, so i've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars.
When I was 'still-in', I once spoke with (what I thought was) a reasonable CO that was staying in our house during his visit that I really wanted to buy a used Porsche turbo. The CO was quick to point out that this was not a 'suitable' car to even contemplate buying for a JW - just think of the people who would be seriously stumbled by such a purchase from an ELDER? I declined to enter into an argument.
Sad to say, I listened and bought something more boring and serious - my mistake!
lifelong humanist
my still-in jw wife thinks that i'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range mazda mx-5 2l roadster (miata, eunos for other countries).. i'm 58 years old.
too old for a 'fun car', i'm told!
i used to sell subaru's, so i've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars.
sorry guys! I meant to write, 'air-cooled' not water cooled Porsches - sorry for my careless mistake. To me, adding a radiator was not an improvement . The air-cooled engine not only sounds absolutely fantastic, but the engine really howls in the top-range!
we are celebrating xmas this year for the first time.
it's kinda weird because, even though we're doing a xmas tree, decorations, gifts, we're more or less taking the christ out of christmas.
so how about the rest of you non-christian heathens?.
SweetBabyCheezits
I'm not celebrating anything to do with any Christian Christmas. As a JW this was off-limits. However, since realizing I was a natural born Humanist, I'm sending friends and family a card to celebrate the arrival of the Winter solstice as our ancestors observed thousands of years ago (long before the Jesus character).
I look forward to enjoying some fantastic meals, enjoying quality wines and fantastic whiskies along with some great conversation around the table - with non-JW family and friends. As I'll be cooking all the meals, I'll need to be on top form to deliver! I've already started ordering in some of the expensive, quality ingredients.
I find this both stimulating and logical, given our long history on planet earth. To me, celebrating Humanism is a natural place to be at a crazy, confused time of year - and not just for JW's!
lifelong humanist
my still-in jw wife thinks that i'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range mazda mx-5 2l roadster (miata, eunos for other countries).. i'm 58 years old.
too old for a 'fun car', i'm told!
i used to sell subaru's, so i've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars.
james_woods
Thanks for your reply. That's quite a car collection that you are so lucky to have!
Ferrari's are jaw-droppingly fantastic, but totally out of my price range. I've only ever sat in one as a passenger, and that was a Mondial (the worst Ferrari ever?).
Porsche's are great driver's cars, especially water-cooled 911's - the noise just enthralls you! My oldest son was working in Germany when he treated me to a trip to their factory about 10 years ago - it was a fascinating visit. The tour guide fairly trashed Maranello throughout the duration, though (good-humoured, tongue in cheek). We weren't allowed to see the about-to-be-launched Cayenne, I recall.
I once had to drive around in a Mason's Black Bentley in the mid-70s to take customers out for 'hospitality'. Naturaly, with only an automatic gearbox, I wasn't over impressed! Other drivers moved out of the way, though. The car had such a lot of presence.
I've had over 15 Alfas, 20 Fiats, a few fast VWs and a Saab (turbo blew up). This is my first Japanese car - the build quality is superb!
lifelong humanist
my still-in jw wife thinks that i'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range mazda mx-5 2l roadster (miata, eunos for other countries).. i'm 58 years old.
too old for a 'fun car', i'm told!
i used to sell subaru's, so i've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars.
Oh, just in case anyone is thinking 'green' issues here, this fun car returns around 45mpg and the mileage will probably not exceed 2K miles per year!
lifelong humanist
my still-in jw wife thinks that i'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range mazda mx-5 2l roadster (miata, eunos for other countries).. i'm 58 years old.
too old for a 'fun car', i'm told!
i used to sell subaru's, so i've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars.
My still-in JW wife thinks that I'm crazy to have just bought a new top-of-the-range Mazda MX-5 2L roadster (Miata, Eunos for other countries).
I'm 58 years old. Too old for a 'fun car', I'm told! I used to sell Subaru's, so I've driven a lot of very fast, responsive 4 wheel drive cars. My wife prefers practical saloon cars with 4 doors and a hatchback - yet she didn't really enjoy driving cars from the Subaru range enough to make me consider buying one.
With rear wheel drive, perfect 50-50 weight distribution, Japanese build quality, the Mazda offers a sublime driving experience. It doesn't have the stunning looks of Italian sports cars though.
Maybe I should have known better - I got the same grief when I bought a used lemon yellow Alfa Romeo Duetto Spider 2.0L in the early 70's and had a complete, expensive paint respray to Alfa red. When I sold this iconic Alfa a few years later, I actually made a small profit!
I had the same reaction when I was the first Fiat customer in Scotland to buy a new Fiat Barchetta not long after it was released in LHD only in the early 90's - front wheel drive and only a 1.6 L engine - but still a stunning looking car and a lot of fun to drive - though not especially quick.
Is this just a JW revulsion of fun 2 seater sports cars?
lifelong humanist